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SunrayVenus · Nov 24, 2008, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Why is it difficult to get 5 consecutive wins in random arena (RA)? All I want to do is unlock TA so that I can PVP with my Guild mates. RA is not my idea of fun and I don’t enjoy the abuse.

For close to 2 years I have been a solo PVE H/H player and avoided PUGs like the plague. But a couple of months ago I joined a guild with an active alliance with a goal of advancing my skills and expanding my play into PVP.

I consulted KiSu and used the suggested bootcamp builds. After many hours and several sessions, I finally got 4 straight wins, and then bombed.

So I conducted an experiment this past week. I asked my PVP savvy guild mates to experience the fun (tongue in cheek) of RA. The results were that all three mates were unable to get 5 straight wins after 2 hours of play time; the best was 2 straight wins. One had the foresight to buy GW before the 5 wins requirement was put in place, the second unlocked with 5 wins some time ago without trouble and the third is an accomplished PVE player with many titles and is an awesome monk.

So my questions: Has RA changed in purpose? Is RA used to discourage new PVP players?

So my challenge to you causal PVE/PVP (no ranked) players: Go into to RA and see if you can get 5 straight wins.

Lord Armotag · Nov 24, 2008, 01:23 PM // 13:23

Im a pve player, and other than AB I havent done any pvp(and most say it doesnt count) So I guess Ill give it a go.

Also, I guess if its that important to you, you could try syncing?

own age myname · Nov 24, 2008, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Most of the time it's about luck (getting a good monk), or you could just take matters in your own hands and monk?

You could also try www.pvxwiki.com I guess...

PlasticBlue · Nov 24, 2008, 01:46 PM // 13:46

It's a pain, but you'll have to get there by yourself I'm afraid...
You might be able to sync with your guildies... if you are really desperate.

As suggested above, try monking.

kupp · Nov 24, 2008, 01:53 PM // 13:53

It's not that dificult, even if you're not monking, I've had a lot of consecutive 5's even in a team without one. As a tip, bring a build with a specific purpose that will really help your team even if they actually suck. For example, I used to be a [ebon dust aura] with a D/P back in the day to shutdown melee's and take a lot of pressure from our monk especially. But it ends up beeing all about luck... I have failed multiple times in a row, just like I managed to unlock HA with an RA team (15 consecutive wins).

just call me jimmy · Nov 24, 2008, 01:57 PM // 13:57

When Anet introduced the point change system to RA, they also included something else (dishonorable). What this did (in my opinion) was to make getting glad points much harder. Why? because now you are forced to play with teams, you know will stand no chance of getting 5 in a row. (unless you enjoy sitting around for 20min not being able to do any PVP) This problem is increase when said team gets a win or 2 playing teams that have no clue, you have now wasted 10-30 min of time. Also because of this you now have over half of RA attempting to sync, And please anyone who says syncing is not that bad. PLEASE everyone I know who brings up who wants to RA in alliance chat gets people and they all try to sync. It is a huge problem, that was only made worse by the changes.
That being said, I agree with the previous opinions about monking yourself.
1 Thing I will add, that might help. One thing about PVP is there are very pre-dertimed peak times. Try to learn what they are and play around them, not during them. Also do not play on American servers, half the people their can;t tie their own shoelaces!

hope that helps!!

ZeAliX · Nov 24, 2008, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Either play monk well (and hope for at least one other decent player), or be lucky to get a good monk..

and btw.. the lvl of players seem to be a bit higher in international, then europe and last american.. feel free to flame all you want, but this is my experience. The time of the day might have an impact as well...

Nightroad · Nov 24, 2008, 03:19 PM // 15:19

If you REALLY want to get TA and so on you need to stop playing R/A's wif daggers, they just plain suck. Now, I must say I have played R/A before, and the only case it may be fairly OK is using shattering assault. This elite is quite costy and hard to run on a sin sometimes (not always the case with experienced players) but with a ranger it can be run marvelously, make sure u bring zealous daggers. It works ok. Sins pwn this anytime though, just giving my thoughts out. Try somthing real, not wammos not derv daggers, not rit daggers; they all suck, or as someone else said play monk... that's how I got all the way to g2 only with RA.

Rakim B · Nov 24, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

The problem with RA is that there's only 4 slots for people. This means that each member of the team absolutely has to pull their weight or you will be at a disadvantage in every fight. It's possible to get 5-10 in a row with just 3 good people and a person with 4 skills on their bar, but it doesn't happen very often. Simply finding a good bar and knowing your exact roll will increase your chances in getting glad points a lot. Then all you have to do is keep going into matches until you get a decent team.

wind fire and ice · Nov 24, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

[distracting shot]>ra.

Kwisatz_Haderach · Nov 24, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

First things first, What builds do you actually play in ra because despite the Title of the thread i am assuming that by r/a you mean random arenas nor r/a a build where rangers use daggers to get kills.

Next, as has already been said do something with actual value to the team, if yoou a re a warrior, dervish, or sin kill squishies as fast as you can, if your a ranger, spread poison and interrupt priority skills (diversion, woh, VoR, empathy, Searing Flames if you run into one etc. etc.), if your a mesmer or necromancer mitigate as much damage and healing as possible, If your a monk HEAL there's enough threads around to show you how to.

Needless to say the best advice is to just have fun and you will get your first 5 win streak pretty quickly.

Krill · Nov 24, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Spam a bunch of hexes, win games.

360° · Nov 24, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

VoR mesmer is probably the easiest way to get the 5 wins atm.

Lord Natural · Nov 25, 2008, 01:51 AM // 01:51

Go to the RA builds thread or to wiki or whatever, find a powerful build, then play it. Even if you're an inexperienced pvper, you'll find the right group eventually, especially if the build happens to be easy. Heck, you could play ranger and be more effective than your average RA player just by spreading poison constantly.

If it's any consolation, the pve grind for a pvpers is equally painful. I remember buying EOTN when it came out and I wanted some sunglasses for my pve char. Rank 5 Asura later and I was ready to toss my comp out the window.

ALF71BE · Nov 25, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57

I set myself the goal of unlocking TA with a warrior. It took more time than I would have liked with all the hex love going around there, but it was worth the laughs and the fun.

If you want fool-poof wins, play some ele tank and wait for the other team to resign. Five times, lolwut.

Mr Emu · Nov 25, 2008, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightroad

If you REALLY want to get TA and so on you need to stop playing R/A's wif daggers, they just plain suck. Now, I must say I have played R/A before, and the only case it may be fairly OK is using shattering assault. This elite is quite costy and hard to run on a sin sometimes (not always the case with experienced players) but with a ranger it can be run marvelously, make sure u bring zealous daggers. It works ok. Sins pwn this anytime though, just giving my thoughts out. Try somthing real, not wammos not derv daggers, not rit daggers; they all suck, or as someone else said play monk... that's how I got all the way to g2 only with RA.

u maed mi lol

valence · Nov 25, 2008, 04:41 AM // 04:41

If you cannot make 5 wins in ra for a long period of time, you are the one to blame. Now don't take this the wrong way, as after all with no pvp experienced you cannot assume you are the new god in town. If you get better, you win more, it's as simple as that, even for ra. Right now the other 3 persons in the team needs to carry you to 5 wins, if you don't get the persons in your team able to do this you probably wont make 5. Again don't take this the wrong way, everybody new to pvp had no clue how to play it and needed to learn it, the fact you are willing to post about it shows you are willing to do so.

Since you want to learn the basics pvp in ta with friends? and want a quick route to TA you could take an easy build that requires no skill and wins by bashing numbers a lot. VoR mesmers come to mind, simple spam VoR and Backfire on the monk or anything that heals. If they dont have stuff that heals you spam it on the person who carries a shield + spear and isnt a para. Haven't played arena's for a month now, so there might be some other cookie builds out there that can give you 5 easy wins. GL.

Krill · Nov 25, 2008, 07:03 AM // 07:03

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Me/any_VoR_Mesmer
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:N/...c_Chill_Spiker
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/D_Escape_Scythe
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:D/...Strike_Dervish

Don't even take the interrupts on the VoR mesmer and Toxic Chill builds, throw in moar hex spam. If you can't get 5 wins with one of these builds after an hour, you're either having the most incredibly bad luck with matching or need to spend some time in observe mode trying to learn most rudimentary basics of PvP.

SunrayVenus · Nov 25, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by just call me jimmy

When Anet introduced the point change system to RA, they also included something else (dishonorable). What this did (in my opinion) was to make getting glad points much harder. .... Also because of this you now have over half of RA attempting to sync, And please anyone who says syncing is not that bad. PLEASE everyone I know who brings up who wants to RA in alliance chat gets people and they all try to sync. It is a huge problem, that was only made worse by the changes.

Thank you for answering my question, "Has RA changed in purpose?" Your answer combined with reports of TA participation decline leads me to believe RA is now the place to "FARM" glad points. It gives me insight on why people may drop out if they perceive a weakness even though the team has won.

So the answer to my next question: Is RA used to discourage new PVP players? Answer: Maybe not on purpose but it has a chilling effect that discourages new players.

My solution: I may have to resort to play professions that I don’t enjoy just to win. So if you see me in RA say hi and give me a grin.

So my challenge to you causal PVE/PVP (no ranked) players: Go into to RA and see if you can get 5 straight wins and tell the board of your findings.

Grin - Something to think about.

Thank you for the build suggestions. I could enjoy both the Mes and Ranger. The Mes looks like one bad character, and the Ranger is something I could play. My team mates will want me understand the Necro and Dervish, but they just aren't natural.
Warm Regards,
SunRay

Good advice on job classification. RA defined as fun? I'll have to have an attitude adjustment on that one. Thanks ~SunRay

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightroad

If you REALLY want to get TA and so on you need to stop playing R/A's wif daggers,.......

Hello Nightroad - forgive my R/A terminology error, I meant random arena RA. I too shudder to think of my pretty redheaded ranger with daggers.
Grin ~ SunRay

dmnyx · Nov 25, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

Common mistakes: 1)No rezz/late rezz, 2)Rushing , 3)Non-kiting, 4) not to have knowladge about the skills you have( ex: you use an antimelee skill on caster without a purpose) simply read the skills you equipt carefully

. Even if you be careful about those 4 minor things you will get 5 glad.
well first you can be old player but if you haven't pvp before your only difference from newbie is that you know "game controls" like using mouse and keyboard. second get a pvp char. why because you need different weapons/armor sets for different builds ex:8 different shield with different AR(apply to every class), and 4 different weapon set to switch during match. pvp is not a place to show off like look at my shiny sword, even pvp based players go head and joke about it if you pop up like "I have elite armor I'm skilled". Get rid of being skilled idea look I'm g5 get my %25 of my glad points from ta I'm still noob ok thats it, everyone, even highest ranks gets puzzled when they face something new only they recognise and adaptae faster. You need to get used to new terms like antimelee, anticaster, support, linebacking, kiting, shutdown etc.. I think you need to read some pvp guide before start. A common mistake trying to make "damage" the "damage" means nothing the actual pressure comes from damage per second( continious process) + how well you support your team reduce other teams pressure on your team etc. Ex: you see your monk taking high melee pressure go help your monk, knock down other teams melee thats is good. this idea apply to all key characters that are manipulating game at the time. how will you notice it and do, it is matter of experiance if you are too impatient pvp is not your job you need experiance. well I can say the easiest char to start with is necro in my opinion you will fail at monk good monking require too much knowladge because you need to guess what will come next.... search as antimelee in the internet use the build you find as it is described in usage part and observe results I think it is a good point to start. do we get glad points easily at ra yes when you get required experiance you will get glads easier how easier if you have 2 experinaced player in your group (you and the 1 more) you get 5 wins easily if you to fit each other. fitting: well think about a team that has 2 experianced 1random healer monk in party it doesn't fit even monks are experianced right? who will make the kill, thats it